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	Comments on: Understanding the E-Privacy Directive and Its Impact on UK Websites	</title>
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		By: Vincent		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-39</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;To add a note here&lt;/strong&gt;. The UK is not the only EU country - &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/general/eu-cookie-policy-pages/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all EU countries must comply with this policy&lt;/a&gt;. We have now started implementing the policy across client sites usually with a notification bar at the very top of the page. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I love the idea of transparency but still believe educating consumers to go to a websites privacy policy in a standard location would be a better compromise than degrading the design of a site.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>To add a note here</strong>. The UK is not the only EU country &#8211; <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/general/eu-cookie-policy-pages/" rel="nofollow">all EU countries must comply with this policy</a>. We have now started implementing the policy across client sites usually with a notification bar at the very top of the page. </p>
<p>I love the idea of transparency but still believe educating consumers to go to a websites privacy policy in a standard location would be a better compromise than degrading the design of a site.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-38</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-37&quot;&gt;Yasmin&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicely put Yasmin, but unfortunately I don&#039;t see this law helping with the use of the information, really how many users are going to read any cookie policies, they just want the site to work and will click any notifications away as quickly as possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-37">Yasmin</a>.</p>
<p>Nicely put Yasmin, but unfortunately I don&#8217;t see this law helping with the use of the information, really how many users are going to read any cookie policies, they just want the site to work and will click any notifications away as quickly as possible.</p>
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		By: Yasmin		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-37</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yasmin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-33&quot;&gt;Vincent&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the idea of  good&#039; and  bad&#039; cookies is a daeorngus one. It isn&#039;t the cookie itself that is bad, but the use to which it is put. A cookie that tracks my progress through searches or other activity on a website is potentially useful in predicting the information I may wish to see next, but if you then sell that information to a data-mining company to allow targetted spam, then precisely the same cookie has transitioned from  good&#039; to  bad&#039;. Similarly allowing me to say I  like&#039; a page is good, using the same cookie that provides for that functionality to track my progress through any page with a like button, without me being aware of it and with the intention, again, of selling that information, is going far beyond the perceived use I signed up for. Like any tool, it isn&#039;t the tool itself that decides the morality, but the user and what they choose to use it for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-33">Vincent</a>.</p>
<p>I think the idea of  good&#8217; and  bad&#8217; cookies is a daeorngus one. It isn&#8217;t the cookie itself that is bad, but the use to which it is put. A cookie that tracks my progress through searches or other activity on a website is potentially useful in predicting the information I may wish to see next, but if you then sell that information to a data-mining company to allow targetted spam, then precisely the same cookie has transitioned from  good&#8217; to  bad&#8217;. Similarly allowing me to say I  like&#8217; a page is good, using the same cookie that provides for that functionality to track my progress through any page with a like button, without me being aware of it and with the intention, again, of selling that information, is going far beyond the perceived use I signed up for. Like any tool, it isn&#8217;t the tool itself that decides the morality, but the user and what they choose to use it for.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-36</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 08:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-35&quot;&gt;Vincent&lt;/a&gt;.

It was only added something like 24 hours before the deadline, but if I read it correctly the old privacy policy that tells them that we use cookies is now good enough again?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-35">Vincent</a>.</p>
<p>It was only added something like 24 hours before the deadline, but if I read it correctly the old privacy policy that tells them that we use cookies is now good enough again?</p>
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		By: Vincent		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-35</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 08:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-34&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for pointing that out to me, I had not seen that. I am seeing sites that are not asking permissions but implying the same.  It&#039;s a better idea depending how you read it. I was on a website yesterday that when I clicked the refusal button (To see what happens) I was still able to view the content.  Now I wonder if they had turned off tracking automatically when I refused  (I doubt it), or they were just paying lip-service to the directive?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-34">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing that out to me, I had not seen that. I am seeing sites that are not asking permissions but implying the same.  It&#8217;s a better idea depending how you read it. I was on a website yesterday that when I clicked the refusal button (To see what happens) I was still able to view the content.  Now I wonder if they had turned off tracking automatically when I refused  (I doubt it), or they were just paying lip-service to the directive?</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-34</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 17:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-33&quot;&gt;Vincent&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the same sort of thing that I&#039;ve been using for eons.
Did you see the new stuff they added on implied consent, i.e. the using of the website implies consent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-33">Vincent</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the same sort of thing that I&#8217;ve been using for eons.<br />
Did you see the new stuff they added on implied consent, i.e. the using of the website implies consent.</p>
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		By: Vincent		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-33</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Ours is now here in our Privacy Policy: &lt;a title=&quot;Cookie policy&quot; href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/legal/privacy-policy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://sonet.digital/legal/privacy-policy/&lt;/a&gt; it is accessible from every page of the website.&lt;/p&gt; 

Interestingly enough we have been using a similar policy ons ome of our clients website for over four years at least. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ours is now here in our Privacy Policy: <a title="Cookie policy" href="https://sonet.digital/legal/privacy-policy/" rel="nofollow">https://sonet.digital/legal/privacy-policy/</a> it is accessible from every page of the website.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough we have been using a similar policy ons ome of our clients website for over four years at least. </p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-32</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 10:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-31&quot;&gt;Deana&lt;/a&gt;.

A lot of head scratching here to.
Needs JavaScript which captures all the analytics etc stuff on the page and stops it running, puts a bar at the top of the page asking permission + telling people how to accept. If they accept sets a cookie so the next page load the analytics etc loads as normal, if they don&#039;t accept it nags them on every page.
Issue I have is catching all the things on the page which might use a cookie and stopping them from running unless the server side scripts are aware of the acceptance cookie and don&#039;t send cookies until they see it.
Plus do you know what all the cookies are for in any web script you use so you can detail them?
What happens if the user doesn&#039;t have JavaScript on, then setting the acceptance needs to happen via server side scripting.
I can make a solution work for clearFusionCMS because I control all of it, but that&#039;s not the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-31">Deana</a>.</p>
<p>A lot of head scratching here to.<br />
Needs JavaScript which captures all the analytics etc stuff on the page and stops it running, puts a bar at the top of the page asking permission + telling people how to accept. If they accept sets a cookie so the next page load the analytics etc loads as normal, if they don&#8217;t accept it nags them on every page.<br />
Issue I have is catching all the things on the page which might use a cookie and stopping them from running unless the server side scripts are aware of the acceptance cookie and don&#8217;t send cookies until they see it.<br />
Plus do you know what all the cookies are for in any web script you use so you can detail them?<br />
What happens if the user doesn&#8217;t have JavaScript on, then setting the acceptance needs to happen via server side scripting.<br />
I can make a solution work for clearFusionCMS because I control all of it, but that&#8217;s not the point.</p>
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		By: Deana		</title>
		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-31</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 10:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-30&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

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&lt;p&gt;Hi Paul,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are back where we started and none the wiser. We feel a pop-up will not work, many have them tuned off, a pop-over ruins the aesthetic experience of a website and will not work on small devices correctly. The server-side script you talk about which will need modding time and again. What is left?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot of head scratching here as you can imagine. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-30">Paul</a>.</p>
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
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<p>We are back where we started and none the wiser. We feel a pop-up will not work, many have them tuned off, a pop-over ruins the aesthetic experience of a website and will not work on small devices correctly. The server-side script you talk about which will need modding time and again. What is left?</p>
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<p>A lot of head scratching here as you can imagine. 🙂</p>
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		<link>https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-30</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 10:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-29&quot;&gt;Vincent&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; had the idea to place a visible link that states “Read Our Cookie Policy” that would go to a page&quot; my understanding is that doesn&#039;t comply, you&#039;ve informed the user but they have not given permission to you to place anything onto their machine, the grant of permission is a click?
I did have one solution but it required modification of the server side code, which is Ok if you wrote it but if it&#039;s a 3rd party script then each time you upgrade you&#039;d have to apply the modifications again, which is not workable as clients won&#039;t pay for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sonet.digital/blog/news/e-privacy-directive-websites/#comment-29">Vincent</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; had the idea to place a visible link that states “Read Our Cookie Policy” that would go to a page&#8221; my understanding is that doesn&#8217;t comply, you&#8217;ve informed the user but they have not given permission to you to place anything onto their machine, the grant of permission is a click?<br />
I did have one solution but it required modification of the server side code, which is Ok if you wrote it but if it&#8217;s a 3rd party script then each time you upgrade you&#8217;d have to apply the modifications again, which is not workable as clients won&#8217;t pay for it.</p>
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